Bruce Dettman: Lou, Just read your piece on Toni Mannix's background and family history. Great investigative work on your part.This is the stuff our field cries out for and you've delivered big time. Can't wait for further Koza scoops. bruce

John O'Keefe: Lou, Read your featured updates this morning over a cup of coffee. Enjoyed them both. GREAT read !!! John

Colete Morlock: Thanks for this incredible piece. And may I say, as a genealogy fan that Serena did one heck of a job researching this as well. I can tell you that census records are not always easy to read. Depending on who the census taker might be, I found four different spellings of my own family name for the 1900, 1910, and 1920 census.

Genealogy experts have stated that sometimes when birth certificates were not available, that baptismal certificates were used to validate locations and religious affiliations of people. If anyone can get Toni's baptismal certificate from the diocese where she was born, this would validate that she was indeed probably raised as a Catholic. It would also be helpful in actually pinpointing her birthdate because back then baptisms were held at least a month after the birth. They did this because moms were usually on bedrest or confined to the house for long periods of time.

Once again, a great job on the article. Sincerely, Colete

Susan Schnitzer: Thanks True Lou for the fascinating info.

Richard Potter: Lou, Your historical article was fascinating. I am always impressed with your thorough research. Thanks! Richard


Carl Glass of Glass House Presents: First off Lou I want to say what a privilege it is to work in a spirit of "friendship and camaraderie" with you in the efforts to continue to give the fans and readers of TAOS the finest in literary works and entertainment in the life and legacy of George Reeves. I have seen this demonstrated this evening with two master works. I'm still absorbing both pieces and will be back tomorrow.

I would expect nothing less from "TAC" and that is, getting at the truth. It sounds to me like the "Toni" story is again, "A way of doing things" and how the information came to you. This is something you could have not forced to happen. Please thank Serena and Jack for me. I'm sure we'll have some more discussions about all this. Good thing you and I have free long distance.

Outstanding features Lou! Carl

Ralph Schiller: Lou; Thank-you for posting these new additions to TAC.

The second article 'Relative Revelations' by yourself and Serena Enger was just incredible. It seems that the more we discover about George Reeves, his life and career, the more we realize that we do not know! 'Relative Revelations' read like a murder mystery to me with an unfinished case. Please keep researching and let us know here at the board when the 'Revelations' are updated like it was yesterday.

Great work Lou and Serena at TAC!

Ralph, Thank you. I'm happy to read you folks are enjoying these features. If it gets you thinking and intrigued then I did my job.

If you read the Relative Revelations more than a day ago, I added a comment about Jerry and Joe at the bottom. It never was lost on me that Joe and Jerry were struggling from about '34 to '38 trying to find Superman a publisher. They were turned down by one after another until they hit with Action Comics. All the while George was acting at the Pasadena Community Playhouse and trying to break into the film industry. So what we have here are two worlds miles apart that would eventually come together because of Superman. The meaning of George being on a course has a far more meaning than any other person to ever play the part. Even though in reality, all things being equal it shouldn't. But it does. As I understand it, Jerry and Joe never visited the TAoS set because at the time there was some issues between them and National Comics regarding Superman. If there was a visit I'm not aware of ever reading it. The closest they came to meeting George was when Joanne and Jerry literally passed George at the doorway of National Comics, they going in and George coming out. Joanne tried to convince Jerry to catch up to George and say hello. Jerry hesitated and by the time he said OK, George was in full trot a block away with no way they'd be able to catch up. Joanne was very disappointed because she'd known George years before he ever became Superman.

Thanks for the good words and I will extend your appreciation to Serena.

Lou

StrangeV: Lou, I really enjoyed both the Neal Adams and Toni Mannix pieces at TAC. Congratulations to you and of course Serena, regarding 'Relative Relations'. I was especially interested in this and the 1920's census document alone, is indeed a real revelation, with lots of 'new' eye opening information. This blew me away more than that great Nash-Healey article. I waited to reply, in order to absorb and gather my thoughts.

The first time I personally, encountered the Froomess name was at this site last Sept: (click here). At that time originally, I disregarded this because I thought Toni's maiden name was indeed Lanier. Plus the fact that Eddie's 1st & late wife was named Bernice (RIP) also, caused me to think this was some sort of erroneous mix up. Now I'm not so sure. I checked some other sites (no not wickywacky), and they confirm Bernice as her original middle name. Is there documentation to prove this also? Since there seems to be a Canadian connection to Toni's ancestors/relatives. There is most probably Canadian documentation for example on her grandparents (ie mother's maiden name) and/or oldest brother, even the parents, if they lived in Canada for a while. So the mind blowing thing is that she actually had 10 siblings (maybe even more) as opposed to the one we knew about. Who died when? Was she estranged from some? Are there family members at this board? Descendants living elsewhere? -all interesting questions to fill in the blanks and give us a fuller picture.

If indeed her middle name is Bernice, then was it changed not to be reminded of the original Bernice. (If so, truth is indeed stranger than fiction and Hollywood is truly the land of illusions). I came across a giant sized many paged coffee table type book on the Ziegfield Follies full of articles and pictures a while back, in a bookstore. 'Legs Lenear -the girl with the million dollar legs' was mentioned inside. At the back was a giant chart with all the ladies who had performed throughout the years, their real names followed by their stage names, and the respective years of service. I couldn't find Lanier, maybe it was under Froomess? Lanier and Antoinette are obviously french names, could she be named after someone in her family or mother's maiden name? Or is the name Antoinette modelled after someone like Antoinette Perry who married rich and was also in show business after whom the Tonys (Awards) are named. Who knows?

My sincere and great congratulations again to you Lou and Serena! looking very forward to the upcoming Mannix piece.
Very Best Regards, Strange V

Hi StrangeV, I'm glad you enjoyed both features, as well as the Neal Adams article too. These were all great fun to work on.

I just saw the link you provided for Hollywoodland. I'd never seen it before and therefore have to give them credit for including the "Froomess" name. It predates the discovery in our TAC article. If anyone in the know read that then it was greatly overlooked.

In addition, I'd never heard Toni ever being referred to with the middle name "Bernice." "Antoinette," yes, but not "Bernice." That certainly has me puzzeled. Bernice is Eddie's first wife. She was from Boston, Mass. I initially didn't enter the "Antoinette" name in the article because it wasn't listed in the documents, but have since added it to the feature. In any case, it might seem Toni was intent on keeping her past history on the QT.

One thing is certain, Jack wasn't aware of the "Froomess" name and he knew her as well as anyone we know of.

Interesting tracking and observations you make yourself with the Ziegfeld Follies.

I will extend your appreciation to Serena. And thank you for the good words.
Lou

Jim Nolt: Louis, This is fascinating information, and just the kind I like to see on the pages of TAC. You've done a marvelous job following up on all these leads. Jim

To all, Thank you. It is you that make this all worthwhile. Lou

Thanks for Watching.

Lou (January 14, 2007)

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